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		<title>By: Grace</title>
		<link>http://www.cm-life.com/2009/09/18/professor-appalled-by-rebel-flag-in-tailgating/comment-page-2/#comment-34957</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 22:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya&#039;ll need to get over it on both sides the babies born in the south were the result of rape and pillage and carpet baggers.  Same as in all wars who wins breeds or if they get deep enough in your territory they rape and breed.  Women have good men come home and raise them the rest is BS!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya&#8217;ll need to get over it on both sides the babies born in the south were the result of rape and pillage and carpet baggers.  Same as in all wars who wins breeds or if they get deep enough in your territory they rape and breed.  Women have good men come home and raise them the rest is BS!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing how Michigan&#039;s economy is awful, the automotive industry in the state seems doomed, and the outsourcing of jobs is a continuing problem, should Michigan secede? By Creo&#039;s explanation it sounds like it. I hear Quebec wants to secede from Canada, so maybe we could join them in attempt to start a new country in a time of global economic turmoil. Then just like the automotive industry, we can ask for bailout money when the economy goes to hell and use it to give bonuses to the highest offices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing how Michigan&#8217;s economy is awful, the automotive industry in the state seems doomed, and the outsourcing of jobs is a continuing problem, should Michigan secede? By Creo&#8217;s explanation it sounds like it. I hear Quebec wants to secede from Canada, so maybe we could join them in attempt to start a new country in a time of global economic turmoil. Then just like the automotive industry, we can ask for bailout money when the economy goes to hell and use it to give bonuses to the highest offices.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People continue to find racism in places that were never intended because of what they think the symbol means.  While many of these symbols have been used for &#039;bad&#039;, they have all been used for &#039;good&#039; also.  Give the benefit of doubt, until you actually know the details.  Perhaps the flag shouldn&#039;t have made the guide to tailgating, but it is a protected use under the laws of our country.

If people were really offended about this during a drunken tailgating session, they would have beat the crap out of the kids with the flag.  That seems like evidence enough to me that most people didn&#039;t recognize it as racist or just didn&#039;t care.  Crying wolf keeps racism alive more effectively the Klan ever could.

Political correctness (the right not to be offended) should never overrule the first amendment (the right to free speech).  Grow a thicker skin and learn to stop crying over offenses conjured up by your imagination.  If we ban the use of offensive symbols and words, our rights won&#039;t be there when we really need them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People continue to find racism in places that were never intended because of what they think the symbol means.  While many of these symbols have been used for &#8216;bad&#8217;, they have all been used for &#8216;good&#8217; also.  Give the benefit of doubt, until you actually know the details.  Perhaps the flag shouldn&#8217;t have made the guide to tailgating, but it is a protected use under the laws of our country.</p>
<p>If people were really offended about this during a drunken tailgating session, they would have beat the crap out of the kids with the flag.  That seems like evidence enough to me that most people didn&#8217;t recognize it as racist or just didn&#8217;t care.  Crying wolf keeps racism alive more effectively the Klan ever could.</p>
<p>Political correctness (the right not to be offended) should never overrule the first amendment (the right to free speech).  Grow a thicker skin and learn to stop crying over offenses conjured up by your imagination.  If we ban the use of offensive symbols and words, our rights won&#8217;t be there when we really need them.</p>
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		<title>By: Creo Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Creo Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Nick Smith,

     You are correct when you said some southern states succeeded from the Union. Before jumping on the Obama bandwagon maybe you should check your facts. Southern States succeeded from the Union because their main economy, Cotton, was in grave danger. Without slaves in the south, there would be a huge labor force needed to pick all the cotton. So when Pres. Lincoln passed the Emancipation Proclamation, Southern life came under attack. This is very similar to the outsourcing of American jobs overseas. Take for instance Automotive companies. Detroit used to be known as the Motor City, but as we know now that is no longer the case. My Grandfather worked at a GMC Plant in Flint for 35 years. He would be rolling over in his grave if he knew how things are nowadays.
     Am I saying that slavery is just? Of course not, slavery was awful, and should never even be contemplated again. But back in the mid 1800&#039;s, this was their way of life. 
     The Confederate Flag stands for many things, to many different people. Some it stands for racism, to other people it stands for Heritage. And I&#039;m sorry to burst your bubble but people can display any flag they want. I could hang a Swastika off my porch, and by law no one can make me put it away. If you want oppression, by all means go to China, or any other Communist country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Nick Smith,</p>
<p>     You are correct when you said some southern states succeeded from the Union. Before jumping on the Obama bandwagon maybe you should check your facts. Southern States succeeded from the Union because their main economy, Cotton, was in grave danger. Without slaves in the south, there would be a huge labor force needed to pick all the cotton. So when Pres. Lincoln passed the Emancipation Proclamation, Southern life came under attack. This is very similar to the outsourcing of American jobs overseas. Take for instance Automotive companies. Detroit used to be known as the Motor City, but as we know now that is no longer the case. My Grandfather worked at a GMC Plant in Flint for 35 years. He would be rolling over in his grave if he knew how things are nowadays.<br />
     Am I saying that slavery is just? Of course not, slavery was awful, and should never even be contemplated again. But back in the mid 1800&#8242;s, this was their way of life.<br />
     The Confederate Flag stands for many things, to many different people. Some it stands for racism, to other people it stands for Heritage. And I&#8217;m sorry to burst your bubble but people can display any flag they want. I could hang a Swastika off my porch, and by law no one can make me put it away. If you want oppression, by all means go to China, or any other Communist country.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Ryan. 

The judgmental citizen of a country of people who allow and encourage corporations to make &quot;slaves&quot; of the poor in third world countries would not only benefit from getting to know someone else, but also getting to know themselves. We all need better mirrors - me included.

There is no need to condemn. The symbols of my star-spangled banner and my confederate heritage are both stained with blood. I am sad for the abuse of slaves in the past and frustrated by the system we support today of slaves who serve our consumer greed. We&#039;ve just managed to mostly hide today&#039;s slaves from our sight. 

Professor Patterson, be appalled but don&#039;t be blind. There are many more &quot;flags&quot; of hatred all around you, much more ubiquitous than the occasional tailgaters&#039; emblem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Ryan. </p>
<p>The judgmental citizen of a country of people who allow and encourage corporations to make &#8220;slaves&#8221; of the poor in third world countries would not only benefit from getting to know someone else, but also getting to know themselves. We all need better mirrors &#8211; me included.</p>
<p>There is no need to condemn. The symbols of my star-spangled banner and my confederate heritage are both stained with blood. I am sad for the abuse of slaves in the past and frustrated by the system we support today of slaves who serve our consumer greed. We&#8217;ve just managed to mostly hide today&#8217;s slaves from our sight. </p>
<p>Professor Patterson, be appalled but don&#8217;t be blind. There are many more &#8220;flags&#8221; of hatred all around you, much more ubiquitous than the occasional tailgaters&#8217; emblem.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come down from your high horse and stop judging people you don&#039;t know a thing about. 

You&#039;re the problem here, not a couple of tailgaters with a flag.

Take the time to get to know someone, you&#039;re no better than a racist yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come down from your high horse and stop judging people you don&#8217;t know a thing about. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re the problem here, not a couple of tailgaters with a flag.</p>
<p>Take the time to get to know someone, you&#8217;re no better than a racist yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I agree with the remarks about the Confederate flag being rasict and am always angry when I see one, too.
But the racist history connected to it isn&#039;t the only thing that bothers me. 
There&#039;s one main reason why I think there shouldn&#039;t be Confederate flags flying, at southern statehouses, etc. It&#039;s quite simple. The &quot;southern pride&quot; argument is a bunch of absolute crap as far as I&#039;m concerned. 
The Confederate flag represents a bunch of states and people who committed basically the ultimate act of treason in this country&#039;s history by seceding. To me that flag is a filthy reminder of a bunch of dirty treasonous traitors who in no way, &quot;southern pride&quot; or otherwise should be honored or memorialized. I don&#039;t consider the Confederate flag an American symbol or protected by Free Speech, personally. 
If there&#039;s a flag in this country EVER worthy of burning, it&#039;s the Confederate flag as far as I&#039;m concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I agree with the remarks about the Confederate flag being rasict and am always angry when I see one, too.<br />
But the racist history connected to it isn&#8217;t the only thing that bothers me.<br />
There&#8217;s one main reason why I think there shouldn&#8217;t be Confederate flags flying, at southern statehouses, etc. It&#8217;s quite simple. The &#8220;southern pride&#8221; argument is a bunch of absolute crap as far as I&#8217;m concerned.<br />
The Confederate flag represents a bunch of states and people who committed basically the ultimate act of treason in this country&#8217;s history by seceding. To me that flag is a filthy reminder of a bunch of dirty treasonous traitors who in no way, &#8220;southern pride&#8221; or otherwise should be honored or memorialized. I don&#8217;t consider the Confederate flag an American symbol or protected by Free Speech, personally.<br />
If there&#8217;s a flag in this country EVER worthy of burning, it&#8217;s the Confederate flag as far as I&#8217;m concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the North hated slavery, why did they still import slave-made goods from the South? The hypocrisies of our modern times are evinced by such stunning precedents as this. 

The Confederate flag was bastardized by the Klu Klux Klan; it holds value for Southerners who look upon it as a symbol of defiance against what they considered to be a rebel government. After all, how would you feel if President Obama called up Federal troops to invade your home or community and kill your friends and loved ones?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the North hated slavery, why did they still import slave-made goods from the South? The hypocrisies of our modern times are evinced by such stunning precedents as this. </p>
<p>The Confederate flag was bastardized by the Klu Klux Klan; it holds value for Southerners who look upon it as a symbol of defiance against what they considered to be a rebel government. After all, how would you feel if President Obama called up Federal troops to invade your home or community and kill your friends and loved ones?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll play along with the argument that it represents a &quot;southern political resistance to northern aggression.&quot;

Isn&#039;t that the same resistance which supported segregation and Jim Crow laws?

How then, can anyone attempt to claim there isn&#039;t any connotation to racism in the Confederate Flag (as previously noted the flag being flown is a conglomeration of flags of the CSA which did not experience any kind of wide recognition until WWII)?

Now, while I will never argue for someone&#039;s freedom of speech and, as has been added through SCOTUS-interpretations, expression, be limited except in extreme cases such as shouting &quot;Fire!&quot; in a crowded building, I will argue for people to understand where others are coming from.  Yes, you view it as a symbol of your Southern heritage, actual Southern heritage need not apply. Many others view it as a symbol of the South&#039;s historical political resistance so they could continue oppressing a group of people they determined to be lesser and refused, longer than any other Western nation, to apply equal legal protection towards.

So, I have to say, consider how you are representing yourself and groups you associate with (such as Central Michigan University) before making as charged a statement as flying the flag.  Acknowledge people still struggling for true equal protection under the law and culture will consider you a racist and supporter of the historical and cultural forces limiting their opportunities.  And finally, realize that dismissing something as &quot;just a symbol&quot; demonstrates extreme ignorance towards why symbols are used: they are powerful and evoke powerful reactions in people.  Just because the reaction isn&#039;t the one you want does not make that reaction wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll play along with the argument that it represents a &#8220;southern political resistance to northern aggression.&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that the same resistance which supported segregation and Jim Crow laws?</p>
<p>How then, can anyone attempt to claim there isn&#8217;t any connotation to racism in the Confederate Flag (as previously noted the flag being flown is a conglomeration of flags of the CSA which did not experience any kind of wide recognition until WWII)?</p>
<p>Now, while I will never argue for someone&#8217;s freedom of speech and, as has been added through SCOTUS-interpretations, expression, be limited except in extreme cases such as shouting &#8220;Fire!&#8221; in a crowded building, I will argue for people to understand where others are coming from.  Yes, you view it as a symbol of your Southern heritage, actual Southern heritage need not apply. Many others view it as a symbol of the South&#8217;s historical political resistance so they could continue oppressing a group of people they determined to be lesser and refused, longer than any other Western nation, to apply equal legal protection towards.</p>
<p>So, I have to say, consider how you are representing yourself and groups you associate with (such as Central Michigan University) before making as charged a statement as flying the flag.  Acknowledge people still struggling for true equal protection under the law and culture will consider you a racist and supporter of the historical and cultural forces limiting their opportunities.  And finally, realize that dismissing something as &#8220;just a symbol&#8221; demonstrates extreme ignorance towards why symbols are used: they are powerful and evoke powerful reactions in people.  Just because the reaction isn&#8217;t the one you want does not make that reaction wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Sinclair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Sinclair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans are not the brightest bunch in the world. In fact, we are ranked almost last when comes to education.  Anthony Hervey graduated from the University of London with a focus in Race and Ethnicity.  He served in Parliament. He did this after graduating from the University of Mississippi with honors.  It is perplexing to view petty angles concerning &quot;The Flag of Dixie.&quot;  The majority of Americans born before 1975 know and understand the connatations associated with the Confederacy and its Flag.  In the immortal words of Dr. Bill Cosby, &quot;Come On People.&quot;  Stop being programmed.  The flag is only a symbol, that&#039;s all. The true dilemma is why are Americans so passive.  We are as we were in 1945, waiting for another Fuehrer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans are not the brightest bunch in the world. In fact, we are ranked almost last when comes to education.  Anthony Hervey graduated from the University of London with a focus in Race and Ethnicity.  He served in Parliament. He did this after graduating from the University of Mississippi with honors.  It is perplexing to view petty angles concerning &#8220;The Flag of Dixie.&#8221;  The majority of Americans born before 1975 know and understand the connatations associated with the Confederacy and its Flag.  In the immortal words of Dr. Bill Cosby, &#8220;Come On People.&#8221;  Stop being programmed.  The flag is only a symbol, that&#8217;s all. The true dilemma is why are Americans so passive.  We are as we were in 1945, waiting for another Fuehrer.</p>
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