Not all conservatives are far-right extremists

So… ?? Ur 'moderate' conservative. Sort-a like a McCain or Harry Reid, huh?

Just remember this: There's no such thing as a “moderate” anything. “Moderate” aint in the constitution anywhere. Its an invented term by the {uh} LIBS! …and just another way of saying “I apologize too much because I lack [constitutional] principles”.

Its UR kind that GOT US into this mess. As long as there's a single 'moderate', there will always be lib-socilaists. UR FOREFATHERS THANK U! UR COUNTRY OWES U A GREAT DEBT… not.

Get a backbone & some principle, worm.

LOSER.

At least you're anti-Granholm, the biggest socialist and the worst Governor in the history of Michigan. She has been incompetent.

But, we need that fence. Keep the illegals out…and keep the drugs out. The illegals are breaking the law. They need to go home and apply to be a citizen. They're stealing jobs of Americans….they ship money out of the country which means the money doesn't rotate here….they get free healthcare and many other government benefits.

Let's ship Granholm back to Canada and the illegals back to their respective countries. We'll bring the unemployment rate down to about 1-2 percent. Healthcare costs will come down. Life will be terrific. That's the conservative gameplan.

The left-wing, pro-union, Democrat gameplan is to keep illegals, keep the drugs flowing into this country, keep wages down, give the illegals amnesty and free government benefits—welfare, food stamps, all the goodies in exchange for a Democratic Party vote.

We not only need to build a fence along the US-Mexican border but we need to put the military down there keeping everyone out.

And, you're right about Obama. We have a great black conservative Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. We don't like Obama because of his socialist and marxist agenda, the fact he is constantly on vacation and billing us, spent 20-some years with the mean spirited Reverend Wright, surrounds himself with socialists and marxists, and is driving up the nation's debt, not just in billions, but now over a trillion dollars a year. CMU students will be paying for this wreckless Obama-Nancy Pelosi-Harry Reid-Carl Levin-Debbie Stabenow-Gary Peters spending for the rest of their lives!!!!!!

I love Ann Coulter and Palin. At least, Joe, you're anti-Granholm and anti-Obama……that's a great start for a young conservative.

Yes, and in Delaware Coons is now going to win in a landslide. Ideological purity is nice but not when your candidate is at best a grossly underqualified, “professional” politician and at worst certifiably crazy. So rather then have somebody who agrees with you some of the time, you are going to have somebody who will agree with you none of the time.

Oh, and for Joe Martinez take note. There is no such thing as an AK47 it is either an AK, AKM, AKS, AKMS or AK74 depending on model. Also, a real AKM costs about $15,000 and is highly regulated by the 1934 GCA same thing with grenade laughers of any type. Nobody is carrying them on the streets although in most jurisdictions they are free to do so.

You say most people have a problem because he is spending “hundreds of billions” of dollars and others complain about his “socialist agenda.” Exactly what is his “agenda”? Spend the country's money fighting poverty and high health care costs instead of wars? The nation's debt increased dramatically thanks to Bush's invasion of Iraq – so how exactly is that better than spending the money domestically? It's this near-sightedness that bothers me; anything Obama does is awful but the Republicans somehow aren't responsible for their own mistakes.

At least you got one thing right – Sarah Palin is an idiot, as is anyone else who thinks quiting a job of serving the people is noble.

Now, Mr. Martinez, you're seeing that it's not actually liberals and Democrats who are the crazies. Disagree with any of the dangerous, radical notions that the vocal fringe righties are spewing now and THEY will come after you, not my ilk. I happen to disagree on principle with your conservatice outlook, but I won't call you a “worm,” a “5th grader,” or “UR kind.” I'll point out that Bush rasied the deficit by billions, kept two wars off the books as if they didn't count as debt, and was the one who actually signed the bailout bill (which cons really, desperately want you to forget). Government intervention is in the eye of the beholder, I guess, because I find the Patriot Act far more of an intrusion than things like a consumer credit protection act (Obama). And I agree that the healthcare package was a terrible idea (it handed over millions of new customers to the insurance comanies instead of offering them real relief)– the only thing worse was the Republican proposal: do nothing and watch the rates rise.

As for immigrants, michmedia, the people financing your little tea party are the very same people who encourage immigrants to come here and work for next to nothing. The point almost no one makes is that people who are here illegally are paying the same tax rates as you and I, and they'll never collect their social security. One of the things keeping social security solvent right now is that there is a population paying into it that never redeems their benefits. Not to mention that for every job an immigrant “steals,” GM and other manufacturers outsourced 10 jobs. I'm always discouraged that people who read and think a lot are so easily manipulated into thinking, not about their own interests, but about the interests of the wealthy. Use you heads!

Why do we think that all conservatives are Palin fans? Because if you dare say anthing reasonable, they come out of the woodwork to shout you down. I admire their vigor, I just wish they had a clue.

Who is more of an idiot? The person that wrote a few words on their hand before a speech or the person that can't put a whole sentence together without a teleprompter.
I vote for the person that doesn't sound like they are lying every time they open their mouth. Listening to a Bush speech was boring but hearing Clinton (either), Gore, Kerry, Obama, et al speak just makes me cringe with fear and loathing. Palin is neither of those. She is cheerful, upbeat and full of common sense (for us common folk).

Even his irrational detractors agree that Obama, with or without a written speech, is one of the most gifted orators in politics today. In fact, he was often attacked during the '08 campaign for how well he presented his ideas. Remember Republicans talking about how he was all style, no substance? Now you're trying to say that Palin is the more gifted rhetorician? Here's a hint: Obama wouldn't need to look up the word “rhetorician.”

Wow, congratulations Joe, you really did a great job of pulling the Palin termites out of the woodwork. Nice job!

I grew up in a very conservative family in a very conservative small town, and if there's one thing I can take from my upbringing is that small town = small minds. Far-right conservatives are the most egocentric people you'll find, and I am happy that there are genuine, level-headed, moderate republicans out there. After seeing news coverage of these tea parties, I was getting worried.

I am happy because I get the same insults thrown out me that you are getting on this forum from the extremists on my side of the aisle after I tell them that I am socially liberal, but fiscally conservative and that I am a strong advocate for welfare reform. One thing that we can agree upon, however, is that Granholm knows nothing about economics and our future is uncertain as a result of some of her policies.

Folks, let's give Joe Martinez some slack. It took courage to write this column blasting the liberal, socialist, marxist's favorite two people in America—Barack Hussein Obama and Jennifer Granholm…and the two most incompetent political leaders in this nation. Mr. Martinez did a great job summing them up. Couldn't have said it better about Granholm. She has destroyed the future for young people in this state. Snyder will have his work cut out for him. I wish we would have selected Cox, Bouchard or Hoekstra, a more conservative candidate but the thought of putting Bernaro in the Governor's chair is downright scary. He's to the left of Granholm. So, I'll go with Snyder this fall.
I might add to Mr. Martinez's perfect evaluation of the disastrous Obama—–he has actually spent one trillion dollars more in debt from what George Walker Bush did. Bush ended with a $290 billion deficit. Obama is approaching $1.4 trillion in debt which you young people will be paying for for the rest of your lives. That's your hope and change from 2008. And, the debt will even get worse before he hopefully gets fired in November, 2012.

Now, back to Mr. Martinez. I don't ever recall a CMU student blasting Granholm and Obama like this. This poor guy will probably have to attend political correctness training. How would you like to face the liberal professor or administrator in the classroom after this column.

Now, do we have some work to do here to make Joe a bonafide conservative. Yes, but he's probably had years of unionized, liberal K-12 teachers and unionized, left-wing college profs. He's been brainwashed. As time goes on, he will get it as many independents and Democrats are in Michigan by saying no more Obama and Granholm this fall. The Libs in Detroit have dumped all relatives of Kilpatrick….and thrown Kwame in prison. Even, the libs are starting to get some political education.

Joe, you need to watch Fox News. It's fair and balanced. We have beautiful female newscasters and analysts. We don't have any Rachel Maddows. And, if you're planning a career in journalism, you'll learn how to ask the tough questions like O'Reilly, Hannity and Greta ask. It's the news station of choice for the vast majority of conservatives.

Glenn Beck is fantastic. When he gets going with his blackboard, he's unstoppable. I'd listen to Rush, Hannity and Mark Levin before Beck. But, Beck is great to watch. His hero is Dr. King and you probably saw, he shared the stage with Dr. King's niece at the Lincoln Memorial a few weeks ago before 1 million attendees.

Ann Coulter is conservative and gorgeous. She hits the nerve of liberals and drives them nuts.

The Tea Party may wind up saving this country. Unlike the leftist groups, the Tea Party isn't supporting every Republican, only those conservative Republicans who are going to stop spending money, close the borders, get rid of the illegals and follow the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights which Obama is trying to destroy.

What can you say about Sarah Palin. She is a normal person. Mom. She can talk intelligently without a teleprompter. Obama is lost without a teleprompter. He can't put a sentence together. Palin did a tremendous job running in Alaska and unlike Granholm, built a great economy and jobs. But, she needed a bigger challenge…and with a best-selling book and traveling the lower 48 helping to elect conservative Republicans who will quit spending money, cut spending, lower taxes, get rid of the illegals and get unemployment down to 1-2 percent.

Joe, we need to close the borders. Look at the murders, kidnappings, crime by illegals, especially in Arizona. 70 percent of the country is for Arizona, even many Democrats are tired of the illegals stealing their jobs, high crime, free healthcare, free govt. benefits, school, etc.

The opinion polls are showing the conservatives control a majority of American's opinions on every issue. You are seeing Dems crossing over to vote for Snyder, for tea party members. Conservative Reagan Democrats and Independents are coming over to our side.

Joe, I think your evaluation of Granholm and Obama were perfect. Don't let the Liberals change your mind. Turn on conservative talk radio and Fox News.

Note to Joe M's comment on General Motors. If GM is outsourcing jobs overseas and I know Ford is….then what vehicles does Bernero and his supporters drive????????????????????
Do they walk. They must buy from companies that outsource which makes him a phony when blasting Mr. Snyder. Bernero is the worst candidate the Dems could have run. They should have gone with Andy Dillon.

I'm curious what current political candidates have to do with the outsourcing of jobs. I'm also curious why you're not as riled up about jobs going to other countries as you are about people coming here (in much the same way as your ancestors did, I'm assuming). Other than that, I'll not bother with the muddle of talking points you've put together there. It demonstrates how out of touch with any sort of reality you are when you uphold Sarah Palin as someone who can “talk intelligently” while saying that Obama can't put a sentence together without a telerprompter. Have you seen the man in a presser? I'll even be critical of him and say that he's held fewer press conferences than George Bush to this point, which is dissappointing, because I think he's pretty effective at messaging when he gets in front of the media.

Oh, and it's dishonest to talk about a $290 billion deficit when that doesn't include the tabs from the two wars he started. Again, I'm dissappointed that Obama hasn't ended the conflict in Afghanistan, but I'm proud of the political courage it took to incorporate those wars into the budget.

I'll not dignify the statement that Fox is Fair and Balanced, except to say that it's always dangerous to belive a corporate slogan. Fox is a corporation, and it's selling you something, michmedia. You're clearly a willing buyer of propaganda, and when you sacrifice your skepticism, you've lost quite a bit. I'm as leftist and socialist and liberal as you're going to find probably on this website, and I'm skeptical of every piece of information I read and listen to (and I don't watch cable news from either side). It's important to me to listen just as much to the righties as the lefties (they're actually more entertaining oftentimes because of their irrational leaps of logic). If you're not getting a whole picture, especially those with whom you disagree, then you risk ignorance.

And Mr. Martinez, if you're reading this, try not to pick your political heroes based on the shapeliness of their legs, as michmedia suggests you do. Listen to their ideas, instead.

Joe M, I'll answer your questions, I am riled up about the outsourcing of jobs. But, it's Liberals at fault for it. First, liberal schools like CMU and other liberal universities recruit India, the Phillipines and Parts Unknown, bring students here, educate them ,Americanize them and then they go home and set-up telemarketing, IT, engineering shops, pay workers low wages and then lasso American businesses to move jobs there. Once they lasso the jobs, I don't see American liberals, labor unions, universities boycott Dell, United Airlines, Hewlett-Packard, the Tribune Company, GM, Ford (Mexico) and tell these companies, either bring back the jobs or we won't do business with you. Instead, they say this is multicultural and it's good for diversity. So, American workers lose their jobs because of “multiculturalism” and “diversity.” My question is why does Virge Bernero and the labor unions including CMU do business with Dell, HP, Ford, GM, United and other corporations who outsource jobs???????????????? For the most part, I try to avoid companies who outsource jobs. Why doesn't liberal universities such as CMU, MSU, UM, the labor unions, the city of Lansing, the state of Michigan, the city of Southfield (all these public sectors run by liberal Democrats) step up and say they will boycott these companies and will refuse to do business. Joe, tell me why your side won't do it.

My ancestors and others came here legally. They did all the legal paperwork, etc. Today, illegal aliens sneak into the country. That's breaking the law. That's a big difference. Every person here illegally should be sent home and then they can apply accordingly. Let them back in one by one after every American has been given the opportunity for a job. If we have any unemployment after everyone has been given the opportunity for work (we could eliminate welfare, food stamps, etc), then we can let some folks in on green cards or a limited number could apply for citizenship. This is the way America has always done it. Right now, you have open borders. People come and go as they please. We have a drug epidemic in this country because of this. Money is being sent out of the country meaning the money isn't rotating on Main Street here causing further unemployment and a lack of tax dollars being collected for services. You Liberals don't understand this. We need to put the military on the border and they should take appropriate action if they see anyone sneaking in. We could bring down unemployment, stop the drugs and we'd have more tax revenue being collected.

Watch Palin talk without a teleprompter and then watch Obama. No contest. Obama can't talk with the prompter. That's why he doesn't hold press conferences. Everytime he does, he gets himself in trouble like with Gates up at Harvard when he lambasted that poor white police officer for doing his job.

On the deficit, read the waste that Obama has spent on the stimulus. It has nothing to do with the wars or defense budgets.

Fox News is fair and balanced until NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, the Free-Press which are left-wing outfits. They're dishonest news organizations. The public has gotten smart as they all have lost considerable viewership and advertising revenue.

Look at the growth of talk radio, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Beck, Gallagher, Ingraham, Cunningham. WJR is a healthy radio station in Detroit since they are conservative talk radio. Fox has all the top rated cable news shows—OReilly, Hannity, Beck, Greta.

Our beautiful conservative women on Fox News (and they have a lot of them), Fox Business Channel plus beautiful women like Bo Derek, Sarah Palin, Anne Coulter, Mary Bono, Michelle Bachman. We have good-looking conservative women. That's what drives the liberal women and liberal media. They can't stand beautiful conservative and smart women like Sarah Palin. I mean look at the liberal women—-Hillary Clinton, Debbie Stabenow, Rachel Maddow, Barbara Mikulski, Barbara Boxer—they're not attractive, they're mean-spirited, radical liberals, love to tax and spend. Liberal women and liberal media can't stand the thought of the typical female in America admiring Sarah Palin. They just can't stand that. But, as I look at these election polls and results so far this year, Sarah Palin has a tremendous effect on these elections. Her candidates are winning and her candidates are way ahead in the polls for the upcoming election. And, this drives the liberals crazy. Joe, don't you like to watch Meygan Kelly on Fox? She's gorgeous, educated, and conservative!!!!

So you're blaming everyone *except* the management of the companies that outsource jobs? It must be the Indians, because they set up an office. How could we not outsource the jobs, they've got an office right there, just staffed with people waiting to answer the phone. What were we supposed to do, not lay off 5,000 workers? There's an office! This is such an absurd argument. You're blaming CMU for the outsourcing of jobs, but the CEOs get no blame. Not their fault, they were helpless. It's 7 a.m. on the West coast, michmedia, and I usually don't get to laugh this hard this early, so thanks. Who else did we blame for outsourcing. Oh yeah, liberal politicians instead of the conservatives who set trade policy (and I include Clinton who was responsible for ending some of the protectionist policies that kept jobs here). This all starts with trade policy: if you tax goods coming in, even if they were made by an Ameican company operating overseas, then you keep the jobs here. You think the unions endorse their jobs moving to Mexico? That's nuts. The UAW rolled over, true, but they did it because they thought they were protecting their jobs. They thought that if they played along then the companies would remember it next time they negotiated. That was stupid, but even you don't believe that the unions are complicit in the outsourcing of jobs (other than failure to strike effectively as their only means of leverage). Okay, got to get working, but I'll try to refute your other ridiculous statements later.

My ancestors came over here legally. There is a difference.

BTW Fox news is becoming a characature of itself and becoming like every other BS network. Get 2 guys in to “discuss” very complex multi-faceted issues, give them each 30 seconds to shout some basic talking points, then interupt, say 'great discussion but we are out of time.' It's a joke. At least shows like Moring Joe or Squawk Box provide a forum for meaningful discussion of the issues in some depth.

But hey, maybe I am some squishy moderate RINO.

Your side is going to lose big-time this fall. We're taking the US House back, maybe the US Senate, the governorships in Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania. We're going to have all GOP midwestern Governors.

And, we'll have tea partiers in Congress who will be driving Obama, Biden, Levin, Stabenow crazy!!!! Can't wait to watch it. The Conservatives are on the march. Limbaugh, Hannity, Mark Levin, WJR Radio, we're all leading the charge!!!

And back in the day, they were probably hated by nativists as well.

Wow. How sad & indicative of the typical lack of understanding between governmental conservatism/liberalism & social conservatism/liberalism. According to your junk-philosophy, I might as well stop supporting abortion & gay rights w/my donations & go bomb abortion clinics & gay rights parades. Thank God your attempts at thinking have little bearing on reality. Were I to become what you claim & go bomb abortin clinics & gay rights parades, I'd be sure to dedicate it to you, b/c being the all-knowing LIB that you are, there is no such thing as moderate conservative. Way to win votes for social liberal issues w/that extremist BS. Oh & props for resorting to the unoriginal yet typical tactic of name calling as a closing. “UR kind GOT US into this mess.” Generalizations? Also typical. Let's consider 2 popular extreme Dem generalizations (elitists & warmongers). Consider Abraham Lincoln (A Republican who abolished slavery) & the pro-slavery Democrats wanting a civil war to prevent it. Consider WWII & Democrats dropping bombs on Japan. Consider a Democrat leading us into the Vietnam War. War, war, war… Social conservatism? The phenomenon of Republicans in support of Clinton (prob propaganda, not real). You really should try opening a book & turning off the television.